I keep harping to everyone about getting a good CA when you start your business. Looks like I should have been taking my own advice.
When we started out, the first CA we got was someone who came in through family contacts. He had been doing the income tax returns for some family members, and we thought it's a good idea to give my company work to him as well. When we were running a small operation, and ledger entries were a dozen a month, it was all good. But as we started to grow, this person proved unequal to the task. Minor hassles such as taking all our files and papers over to his office suddenly became major hurdles in getting the work done. What used to be one box file, was now a dozen and then some.
We started to look around for another CA, and just when we found one, we were told that we needed a no-objection certificate from the first guy in order to start dealing with the new one! Sheesh! Now this was a really delicate matter. Not only was the first chap doing my accounts, but he was also doing those of many more family members now. This meant he was privy to a lot of accounting information.
Anyways, the break came recently and in a very unexpected manner. We moved a couple of family member accounts away from him, since he lives at one end of town, and we at the other. That was an excellent reason to tell him that the entire process of dealing with someone who rarely visits us at home or office was proving to be too cumbersome. The next day he called us to say that he was upset at this decision, and had therefore decided not to do the rest of our accounts either. Of course, this decision comes at a very precise moment - 31st October is the last date to file our company income tax returns.
Thankfully, we have a good accountant working for us. Recently when doing the returns for my father, his insight into some of the laws related to stock investments resulted in a significant tax savings. This was something the CA should have been doing! Again the fees of a CA or the salary to an accountant is usually well worth it in terms of the savings they bring in and the accounting discipline that helps keep a better handle on one's cash flow.
The same situation occured with the Company Secretary. After promising to bring our documents up to date (we had been very lax on this front), and even taking half his fees in advance, he never showed up again. This is the same guy who had done our initial registration. Finally, we got a new CS to work for us, and filed in all our returns with the Registrar of Companies, and ended up paying a lot of back arrears and penalties as well. Yikes!
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Friday, October 06, 2006
Changing chartered accountants
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Interesting piece. I think sometimes, financials, documentation etc if not dealt with well, can become a serious issue.
Apu: Well thankfully, we don't have much to hide, but then again you don't want to mess with someone who knows probably more about the finances of your company than you do :)
Hey Sanjeev, you're right, that the ICAI does have very strict rules about professional conduct. But we don't exactly want to haul anyone over the coals. :) I just wish there were an easier way to break away from an existing CA/CS to a new one.
Incidentally, if you're practicing in Mumbai, drop me a line, and maybe we can chat up.
Well done. Record keeping, including accounting is, as you recognize, often an entrepreneur's achilles heel. I've seen self made wealthy men lose their companies, and even be forced to 'retire' to offshore homes as much due to lax practices as anything else.
Fine lines that define things like insider trading and corporate ethics are crossed every day, and excepting blatantly unethical or criminal behaviour, it really is frequently unintentional albeit a deliberate choice of ignorance as well. We can't personaly acquire a lifetime of experience in law and accounting and every other specialty and naturally rely on 'common practice', ie. this is the way everyone does it.
Record keeping, in any business larger than a simple sole proprietorship, should really be viewed on 2 levels. The first I think of as the basic transaction level, analogous to the things you do in the normal course of every day, from brushing your teeth to putting gas in your car. The second is the major transaction level, analogous to things like changing jobs or buying a house, getting married or having kids. In business record keeping, like in life, you never chisel (record) the second category of actions in granite until you've truly eliminated every alternative option. Really good accountants taught me this view.
Vera
Hi,
I really wanted to ask this question.
What is consultancy??
I mean, I can understand what the BIG 4 do.. I can understand McK can pull up some real big time thing.. or even you call up CK Prahalad to suggest you the ways to improve your struggling business..
But what kind of consulting a 2 person firm can do... apart from say market research.. or making some reports..
I am being very naive in my assumptions and thats why my tone might be very silly... but I really wanted to know what small businesses do.. or to state in a different way, what I can do for a starter.. :-)
Regards,
Bigyan Satpathy
bigyan.satpathy@gmail.com
Vera, thanks for the wonderful comments, and apologies on the delayed response. I have been traveling the past week and just got back home. You are bang on target with what you say. And more the reason, one should view a good accountant's salary as an investment rather than an expense. Just yesterday I was sitting down with my accountant, and we were calculating the advance tax we need to pay up for the second quarter, and once again his insights helped us arrive at a more accurate estimate than I had come up with.
I like the distinction you make between counting beans and financial strategizing. And how the second requires every other alternative to be removed to leave the best one on the table. That's a brilliant insight :)
Bigyan, I define consultancy as solving problems. You go into a company, meet with the people, understand the problem, and often the real problem is quite different from the stated problem, and you help the organization arrive at a solution. The biggest advantage that larger firms have is the wealth of data they have at hand. Their knowledge repositories are amazing, and a good consultant can sift through them to arrive at similar cases and get clues to solving the problem at hand. But otherwise, it doesn't matter whether it's a 2-person firm or a 2000-person firm. What matters is the consultant who is providing the solution. I started off as a 1-person firm and we now compete with the biggest firms, and often deliver comparable or better results.
These are some things which only happen in India
Regards,
CA Ashish Ahuja
Indian Chartered Accountants New Delhi India
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I think of as the basic transaction level, analogous to the things you do in the normal course of every day, from brushing your teeth to putting gas in your car. The second is the major transaction level, analogous to things like changing jobs or buying a house, getting married or having kids. In business record keeping,thanks
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